Published by Linda on 15 Dec 2008 at 01:01 pm
Corinne
I have a lot to say, but here’s the thing about Corinne on last night’s finale and reunion.
She explained it all herself. In so many words, she said that without the fact that she says offensive things that are hurtful to people, she’s “just another girl.” she said this is what’s “endearing” about her. She said in so many words that there’s nothing likable or interesting about her except that she hurts people: “When you take that away, I’m just another girl who doesn’t have much of a personality.” Much as I detest her, it was maybe one of the saddest things I’ve ever heard.
This is someone who has lived in this headspace for such a long time, where the only thing she’s developed any skills at is bonding with Person A because they’re both picking on Person B, that she really believes this is what real affection between two people is about. She really believes not only that this is legitimately endearing, but that it will make people understand that behavior better if she says, in effect, “This is all I have.” She doesn’t understand that to most people, that means you’re utterly incompetent at everything that matters.
I’ve seen people before who are like this — who believe that being jerks constitutes their “color,” or who believe that the only thing people value them for is the ability to be the most unfeeling person in the room, because it’s kind of entertaining. But I think Corinne was the most direct in saying (and this part was not acting; this is what she believes) that without negative attention, she’d get no attention at all, and that this is why she goes out of her way to be cruel. I think it was an accidental moment of complete transparency, where something she thought would strike people in one way struck them in another.
There’s a particular ethos involved in this “I have no filter, and it makes me great” argument. It requires you to believe that having a filter means you’re a phony — that you make decisions about what to say and what not to say only if you lack the courage to face the consequences of truth-telling. This is where “keeping it real” comes from. This is where “I’m not afraid to say what I think” comes from.
It requires you to believe that you live in a world where everyone thinks nothing but awful, angry thoughts, so that “no filter” means “horrible and offensive.” If I spoke with no filter, then yes, I would hurt people’s feelings more. But I would also spend more time bubbling over with excitement about how much I love them, admire them, respect them, and appreciate them. You just don’t say everything. You just hope you say enough.
And in fact, the reason people apply a filter about hurtful comments is generally not a fear of dealing with the consequences of the unfiltered truth, but a simple choice not to create those consequences. You always choose what to say and what not to say; either way, there’s a filter of sorts. You have a thought; you make a decision about what to say about it. There was certainly nothing “unfiltered” about Corinne’s comments about Sugar’s father — undoubtedly, without question, the most indefensibly inhumane thing I’ve ever seen anyone do on this show. Those comments were entirely rehearsed, calculated, and preplanned to inflict pain. Why is tailoring your remarks to inflict pain more false than tailoring your marks not to?
As awful as she is — and she’s one of the few people on this show I believe has grown to be such a toxic, fundamentally amoral person that she will always be a toxic and amoral person and stands zero chance of ever changing — she’s mostly pathetic. If you listen to her saying, “Without that, I’m just another girl,” and it doesn’t get you a little, you’re missing the sadness of it, I’d argue. She doesn’t value anything loving or kind in herself. She doesn’t believe anyone else values anything loving or kind in her, either. There’s only being cruel and mean, because that’s what she does that other people don’t do or won’t do to the degree that she does it. It’s like being proud that you’re the only person you know who swallows ground glass or steals things out of cars.
She believes “nice” isn’t a personality, because she believes it’s necessarily false. She never has kind thoughts about people, because she’s learned not to. She would never think about whether “generous” is a personality trait, or “compassionate,” or “loyal.” There’s being intentionally cruel, like she is, or there’s being artificially “nice,” like she thinks everyone else is. It’s impossible for her to face the fact that other people simply aren’t as angry and negative as she is — they’re not filtering the desire to throw someone’s dead father in her face; they simply don’t have that desire. Her personality has darkened to the point where it’s either being vicious or constantly fighting the urge to be vicious, which is what she figures everyone else is doing. The fact that she doesn’t fight it? It’s “endearing.”
Nicole T on 15 Dec 2008 at 1:16 pm #
Linda + Survivor = Awesome……
actually Linda + Survivor > Awesome
Sharon on 15 Dec 2008 at 1:49 pm #
Amen. I watched her last night and all I could think was, “What a sad person.” To believe that your only worth is to be the meanest mean girl in the room? So very sad. To believe that the rest of the world thinks like that, too, is even sadder.
Kris on 15 Dec 2008 at 2:13 pm #
“It’s impossible for her to face the fact that other people simply aren’t as angry and negative as she is — they’re not filtering the desire to throw someone’s dead father in her face; they simply don’t have that desire.”
That also explains her questioning of Bob at the jury council. She kept poking at him to show his “ugly” side. She couldn’t comprehend that he might not spend 24/7 thinking ill of other people.
Patrick on 15 Dec 2008 at 2:19 pm #
It’s exactly this type of moment that makes me cringe whenever someone is dismissive of “reality television.” If someone said this in a scripted drama, it wouldn’t be a believable moment, because a writer would think that a fully-fleshed out character couldn’t be so empty as to have a “personality” based on nothing but cruelty.
Without these kinds of moments, Survivor really isn’t much more than obstacle courses and camping. People’s discussions about who “played the best game” and how that doesn’t have as much of an impact on the final Tribal Council don’t get that the show essentially isn’t about what it’s advertised as being about, and that the challenges, the voting, and the deprivation are distractions that keep people busy enough to accidentally expose themselves to the camera.
As always, Linda, your analysis is a real highlight of watching this show.
Nora on 15 Dec 2008 at 2:40 pm #
Linda, absolutely. I agree with your analysis, and as a high school teacher, I hear this sort of justification all the time from adolescents (”at least I’m honest!”) and reassure myself that most people grow out of it. Corinne seems to have grown /into/ it, which is beyond sad.
Paul J. Taylor on 15 Dec 2008 at 2:56 pm #
Even more evidence on his was Corinne’s Tribal Council question to Bob, and her comments while voting. She seemed to genuinely believe that Bob must think awful things about Sugar, and his affection for her must absolutely be pretense, and there’s no other explanation other than him being dishonest about his true, hateful feelings for her. And then her wondering aloud how, if it is indeed true that Bob doesn’t have a nasty bone in his body, how he manages to survive crossing the street every day with this belief of his that cars aren’t actively gunning for him.
The words “good” and “evil” get tossed around a lot on reality shows (and a little more on this Eden-themed SURVIVOR than usual). But there’s a difference between the reality-TV “evil” that’s flipping your vote on an alliance member in a game in which it’s been documented for almost a decade that bluffing is an integral part, and the real-world “evil” that’s inflicting pain on someone and taking great delight in your exceptional ability to do so. The term’s been applied to SURVIVOR contestants before, but I think we’ve just now seen the show’s first evil participant. Not even Randy’s almost-jolly misanthrope act can remotely compare.
Leigh in CO on 15 Dec 2008 at 3:12 pm #
Paul’s comment goes with what I was thinking, also. We were shown the contrast between Randy and Corinne quite starkly; Randy came off as trying to hard to be nasty, whereas Corinne was simply mean. I am not savvy enough to understand the twinkle in Randy’s eye when he was being interrogated by Jeff, but I certainly understood Corinne’s. And it horrified me.
Martillo on 15 Dec 2008 at 3:34 pm #
Exactly.
What is generally a defense mechanism is most people is all there is in Corinne. It makes one wonder what must have happened to her that has damaged her so utterly and completely that the defense mechanism has taken over every aspect of her personality.
And that is sad.
aerynn on 15 Dec 2008 at 3:37 pm #
Corinne’s comments in the Ponderosa videos about finally being with the “cool” kids and the beautiful people, combined with her breast implants make me think she was teased mercilessly in high school or middle school and she decided to become the thing she hated the most. It *is* sad.
But on the other hand, I am glad that we live in a world where someone as mean and spiteful and petty as Corinne still thinks that cruelty is unique and special somehow. Maybe all the nice, patient, kind people really are so abundant that you just blend in with the crowd if you are nice too.
Sadiegirl on 15 Dec 2008 at 4:15 pm #
“Those comments were entirely rehearsed, calculated, and preplanned to inflict pain. Why is tailoring your remarks to inflict pain more false than tailoring your marks not to?”
Linda – don’t you mean more TRUE, since Corrine seems convinced her way is the correct way for people to act?
I guess I can now move on from this season of Survivor, having read some of your analysis (but I’m always hoping for more).
Nicole on 15 Dec 2008 at 4:53 pm #
Yes, I agree with all this completely. That comment really jumped out at me as a genuine expression of how Corinne feels about herself.
But the rest of the time, she was just playing to the cameras. Mean as she is, she’s not stupid, and she knows it’s her best shot at getting anything else out of this experience. So I don’t really feel too bad for her, because she knows what she’s doing and she’s doing it on purpose. Waste of my time.
Amy on 15 Dec 2008 at 5:32 pm #
I’m with you here. That struck me as completely sad.
The other thing that struck me as sad was her voting comment to Bob – something like – good job surviving here, don’t see how you survive in the real world, given that Bob, of all these buffoons, seems to me to have a real life that goes beyond surviving, to thriving. The inability to see that, or even comprehend it, is beyond depressing.
I’m with Nicole, though, in that, as depressing as I find Corinne, the fact that she’s made being completely and utterly despicable some sort of life goal, makes it hard to have any sympathy for her.
Jonathan on 15 Dec 2008 at 5:32 pm #
All good points. What I also found interesting was Corinne’s complaint about the editing process and how Randy got more of a “villian” edit than she did. Judging from her comment to Sugar and the tirades we did see from Corinne, I think that Mark Burnett and his production team deserve a big high-five.
Corinne clearly thought that she would get a lot of screen time with mean-spirited tirades and be the person people love to hate. Instead, Randy filled more of that role, which was consistent with previous seasons. Randy was game-play mean, not personally mean. Things like gloating over the pastries when they won yet another reward challenge. Corrinne, on the other hand, is just mean. I imagine that a lot of comments in her confessionals also crossed into the wildly mean and inappropriate area and were wisely cut by production. Kudos to them.
Beth on 15 Dec 2008 at 5:45 pm #
I agree with Jonathan. I also picked up on Corrinne’s complaint on not being shown as nasty enough. I think she went into this show (in addition to being a sad person), to hopeful that this was her big shot at fame and to become loved as the nasty, but entertaining villian . She thought this would be her chance to get even more recognition and acclaim than the 15 minutes of Survivor fame that is typical.
cayenne on 15 Dec 2008 at 6:35 pm #
I’ve had the sense all season that there’s not much more to Corinne than bitch, but questioned whether she dialled it up for the cameras in the same way that Randy pumped up the misanthropic curmudgeon aspects of his personality in order to stand out. Last pretty much settled it that she really is just all bitch, which is sad for her & unfortunate for everyone around her.
It also makes me wonder a bit how much power Survivor (or any other reality show) has to even stimulate a post-show 15-minutes run anymore. While it was certainly successful in providing some participants with post-show “journalism” careers (e.g. Hunter, Elisabeth), reality show runs (RobandAmber) or Playboy spreads, with the drop in ratings over the past 10 seasons, the post-show opportunities seem to have pretty much dried up. Pre-jury bootees get 20 seconds at the reunion. CBS doesn’t even interview the bootees during The Today Show, and that’s internal cross-promotion. If the contestants can’t even get more than their in-show camera time, how can they spin beyond that? It’s really unrealistic of Corinne to have expected a bitch edit to improve her chances when there’s no support beyond that.
Justin on 15 Dec 2008 at 6:43 pm #
But the rest of the time, she was just playing to the cameras. Mean as she is, she’s not stupid, and she knows it’s her best shot at getting anything else out of this experience. So I don’t really feel too bad for her, because she knows what she’s doing and she’s doing it on purpose.
Yeah, I thought it was mostly an act too. It all felt fake, which is why I don’t particularly care for her, either way. The best, most bitter speech is still Susan’s from Season 1, because it was the most authentic.
I love Survivor and will watch until the day it is canceled. But the goals of the show changed after the first season. It’s no longer about a million dollars; it’s about being on TV and becoming famous. Which is why Sugar didn’t even try to argue for the million dollars this season.
I think Linda has tapped into something about Corinne’s character, but I don’t think Corinne is really that much worse than a lot of the other people who have played Survivor. I just think Corinne kicked it up notch, because she knew she had to, in order to get noticed.
I wish Survivor would up the ante to 10 Million and then get a bunch of really poor people to play. People who really want the money, and not the fame. .And yes, I’m lobbying for myself here.
Natalie T. on 15 Dec 2008 at 7:07 pm #
Corinne is just another example of the banality of evil. Or maybe she’s an example of “a little education is a dangerous thing.”
I don’t think she can unpeel her facade enough to find the narcissistic voic. At her age, her only real option to become the strikingly memorable person she wants to be is to study true wits: be like Dorothy Parker, Maureen Dowd, Molly Ivins, Oscar Wilde–even Anne Coulter has got some pretense of wit from time to time (along with her Ivy League education).
Corinne is proud of her University of Florida education but her degree should be rescinded if she knows nothing of moving beyond mean-girl sand-box territory to the verbal, imaginative, use of good, strong, pungent satire.
Or maybe she should try to buy the vowels in “nuance” from Vanna White. What an idiot!
Linda on 15 Dec 2008 at 7:16 pm #
I’ll go with the idea that she’s playing to the cameras, up to a point.
I think she’s doing exactly what she says she does — she’s playing up to the cameras, because she thinks people love watching other people be really mean. She thinks this is what’s going to make her beloved. Basically, for the reasons that she said: she thinks people find this behavior “endearing.”
In other words, I do believe that she rehearsed the speech to Sugar partly because she thinks that its meanness will make people like her. I do not believe that she rehearsed the part where she said “without this, I’m just another girl” because she thought it would be so pathetic that it would make her so awful that people would like her. I believe she consciously acts like a mean girl to get attention, but I believe it’s because she thinks people will like her for it, not because she thinks people will actually hate her for it. I think she’s one of those people who says “I’m not here to make friends” and then is actually REALLY upset when nobody likes her, so her defense is, “I do this on purpose.”
I think she said Sugar was an unemployed leech on society believing she’d be cheered, not scorned. I think she fell victim to a common trap, which is assuming the audience will be feeling the same way you are feeling, so seeing you gang up on the person you hate will make them like you. She assumed the audience would hate Sugar by the time that aired. I believe Corinne wants to be Saucy Beloved Girl, but not Genuinely Disliked Girl.
Gina on 15 Dec 2008 at 9:36 pm #
I also have a difficult time working up any compassion for Corinne. Susie, earlier in the season, commented very diplomatically about Corinne that she was a very lucky girl; she has [an intact] family who loves her and an education. It struck me as so apt.
@aerynn: Corinne absolutely could be living life in response to Junior High trauma (and I *do not* mean to diminish the impact of wounds of childhood, really.) but it’s just not what I get from her. Corinne reminds me of a much beloved child whose parents’ applauded her every move. She has lost sight of the fact that she is who she is/where she is because of what was given her (fortunate), and is now living with the sense that she’s been given what she has because of who she is (entitled).
The Ponderosa video that did make me feel something for her: when she stated going to jury sober would be too painful, when she said Africa had nothing to recommend it because she couldn’t get her hair dryer to work for more than a few moments at a time. The clips after the fifth jury member arrived were painful to watch. She was just so angry.
Bunting on 16 Dec 2008 at 1:26 am #
I think what Corinne wants is to be Reckoned With. She wants to wield power; she wants to be feared.
Where it gets kind of sad, to me, is that she goes SO over the top, without being funny or insightful at all, that it’s hard to take her seriously. I for one don’t think I could work up the energy to get offended by her if I knew her in real life, because someone who’s going to go after relatively small game like Sugar with a misfired howitzer like that dead-father comment is not someone I can respect — not just because it’s mean, although it is, but because the meanness is so poorly done.
In other words, it’s not Corinne being a bitch that annoys me; it’s her ineffectual approach to it. Which makes me a pretty big bitch too, but that’s not news.
BrendaK on 16 Dec 2008 at 9:05 am #
For most overly-entitled people, a really huge jolt (say, the death of a parent or a child) can snap them out of themselves and force growth on them. I don’t think that could happen with Corinne, though, as she is entirely self-referential.
In fact, I don’t think there is any event huge enough to move Corinne from ‘multi-celled organism’ to Human.
ferretrick on 16 Dec 2008 at 9:34 am #
“the real-world “evil” that’s inflicting pain on someone and taking great delight in your exceptional ability to do so. The term’s been applied to SURVIVOR contestants before, but I think we’ve just now seen the show’s first evil participant.”
You’re forgetting a lot of people, just off the top of my head, Rocky and Lisi-Rocky took that kind of joy in humiliating Anthony; Lisi took that kind of joy in trying to humiliate Dreamz on national television with the “how many zeros in a million” question.
I totally agree with Sars about the meanness being so poorly done. Certainly, it didn’t work on Sugar, who, I like her, but let’s face it she cries at the drop of a hat. She didn’t burst into tears over the dead father comment, she just rolled her eyes and flipped the bird. She didn’t even get back in Corinne’s face about it, because Corinne isn’t worth the effort. And it was awesome.
Justin on 16 Dec 2008 at 11:23 am #
I think she’s one of those people who says “I’m not here to make friends” and then is actually REALLY upset when nobody likes her, so her defense is, “I do this on purpose.”
Ha. That’s probably true. And good insight. I definitely know people like that. *cough* my brother *cough*
I believe Corinne wants to be Saucy Beloved Girl, but not Genuinely Disliked Girl.
Agreed. But I think more than that, she wants to be noticed. You could have written about any aspect of the Survivor Finale. And yet, you chose to write about Corinne, which is ultimately just what she wants. I stand by my assertion that the best response to Corrinne isn’t anger or pity, it’s indifference.
Jason on 16 Dec 2008 at 12:49 pm #
Agreed. And there are other things she said that I thought were hilariously wrong: one, that it’s so much easier to be nice than to be mean (apparently she wouldn’t know because she’s never tried nice), and two, that she thought being mean was in and of itself funny. So I really loved Jeff’s comment that maybe she shouldn’t try stand-up.
I’m not completely sold that Randy’s faking his meanness while Corinne’s the real deal. They didn’t seem so different for me–Randy’s just better at disguising his meanness with humor. So I also wanted to credit Jeff for pointing out the double standard between them. But demerit Jeff for appearing to hold that double standard nonetheless.
lormac on 16 Dec 2008 at 1:05 pm #
There seems to be two views of Corinne’s comment that without her nastiness, she is “just another girl.” Linda is seeing this as insight into a sadly warped psyche, and others are viewing it as Corinne’s way of saying that without developing a mean-girls character on the show, she would have been just another boob job with fluffy hair.
Either way, she clearly stepped over the line – she is either missing how pathetic her statement to Sugar really was (if it came from the warped psyche), or if she was trying to develop a “Fans Favorite” character for future shows, she jumped that shark by being too mean.
But wait… what do you think? Would the Survivor porducers pull her for a future “Survivor Heroes” vs. “Survivor Villains” season? Can you imagine that? Reuben, Tina, Yau Man, Earl, etc. vs. Jerri, Jonny Fairplay, Corinne, Randy, etc. Come on, who wouldn’t watch that?!! Just to see what goes on the Villains camp?
Bish on 16 Dec 2008 at 3:16 pm #
I’m not so sure about Randy – he seemed genuinely psychotic to me during the game, and some of his comments that aired hinted at racist tendencies.
Maybe the passage of time between the Final TC and Sunday allowed him to reflect and try to become a sort of loveablle old grump (he tried really hard not to smile when Probst was questioning him, but some littl eones slipped out).
Corinne, as was touched upon above, seemed to spend that time thinking she would roll into the Reunion as America’s Favorite Sprint Survivor Who Wins The Phony Rupert/James Cash Award.
Kudos to the studio audience for the multiple boos, Probst for calling her out on her nastiness, and Sugar for not stooping to that level.
I hope her family is proud.
Amy on 16 Dec 2008 at 3:19 pm #
I gotta disagree on the kudos. I was appalled that they played that clip of her nastiness not once, but three times. I’d have found it far more satisfying if they’d ignored her completely at the reunion. No boos. Just… nothing.
Grace on 16 Dec 2008 at 9:49 pm #
You know, I had planned to skip watching the entire reunion show, but now I have to watch it to see this train wreck play out in full. (Comcast puts episodes available on demand, so it should be available when I get home.) I thought Corinne seemed kind of off during much of the show, but I didn’t expect her to be this messed up.
terracool on 16 Dec 2008 at 10:17 pm #
I understand that Corrine’s comments to Sugar included the reference to the dead father that put it over the top. Still, if you take both speeches as a whole, I don’t see a whole lot of difference between what she did to Sugar and what Sugar did to Randy. I adored Sugar (although she did get a tad flighty at the end there) and despised Randy, and yet when she said he had to grow up or be alone I found myself cringing despite myself. And that speech was also rehearsed. I guess it’s all characters and context, and rightfully so to some extent, that makes the reaction to the two slams so different.
Not to live in the past, and with all respect to current recappers everywhere, but this is exactly the kind of thing that anchored Linda’s TWoP recaps. Summary of the show? Yes. Humor? Absolutely a draw. But it was the occasional foray into the tangle of human nature like this post that really gave the recaps balance and made them interesting.
And finally, I will be MOST certain to catch myself the next time I think or say (in my occasionally self-congratulatory inner voice) “Well at least I’m willing to say it!” Yikes. Better make sure I check myself on that one.
golfnutbucket on 18 Dec 2008 at 9:16 am #
Thank you Linda! This is what I live for.
I too am very sad for the Corrine’s of the world. It makes me wonder what happened in her childhood that made her that way. Randy too. I still despise them both, but they make me sad.